Curse

Witt78 · Jun 09, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by BE|Dac

Dude EQ2 is out, you are missing out on grindfest 2, a little crack on the side and you can be on your way to an enjoyable game experience.

hahaha or wait you realized its retarded to work at a video game?

I play for FUN.

I got Everquest 2. Graphics are the best I have ever seen on any game. But the game itself was less than Everquest 1. And, yes... The game is a total grind.

So, I too play games for FUN.

My question is... If you play games for fun... But you are here complaining about Guild Wars... Then you must not be having fun playing it. Why are you here? Why post on this forum? Why play Guild wars?

I don't think it's the game that you enjoy... I think you enjoy attempting to get a rise out of people online.

If I'm wrong and you actually feel that there is a huge grind required to get the things you need to compete in this game.... Well... Maybe you should try Quake 3.

Better yet. I think you would fit in on Diablo 2 Open B.NET Yeah. You'd fit in just fine.

-Witt78

Rasp · Jun 09, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Aug

Provide all runes, skills and elites for your class combo after completing the game. There's no grind there. You complete the missions with your chosen combo, and you're given free reign over all skill/rune/equipment combinations with those 2 professions.

Right now, you have to partake in quite a bit of grinding (killing the same mobs over and over) to acquire all runes, skills, and elites for both of your professions. Both to get XP, and to try to get lucky and get the drops you need.

I'm actually closer to acquiring all the runes in the game versus all the skills for just my 2 classes, because of how slow skill point accumulation is.

So you think 'ruining' an aspect of the game for the PvE fans to please the PvP fans, is a good solution? Arena Net can NOT please both sides. There will always be someone to complain about a change.

Just FYI, I'm not a bigger fan of either side. I enjoy them both, but you will always have someone to complain. It's ridiculous to see the same type of threads over and over, day in and day out. The admins / moderators REALLY should create some type of "Rant Forum" or something. This IS ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher

its weird... am i the only GW player out there that doesn't farm or kill bunch of monsters for one rare item? cuz i mostly got crappy setup stuff, but i'm working to get some runes and upgrades for my charater

You're not alone.

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 09, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

The Beta Testers are off again, damn, this is going to end up a very hot senseless topic like most of the other post. Damn people who beleive PR actually beleived Bush when he said Iraq has nuclear weapons and that " no way are we invading Iraq for political / Oil reasons. "

I'm glad I haven't played HoH yet, the losers sound like a bunch of whingers and the winners sound very organised. I still don't see why you need all skills though, Some elites are nice and yes but all skills are not needed. Runes I can see helping, having 5 superior runes, 3 vigor and to class related will tweak your build.
Alas you actually make HoH sound like a place for munchkins rather than your average player.
Damn, shame the average player has the majority vote.

Perhaps if A.net put in place a handicap system, if one team has runes and the others don't then either team without gets hp boost or other team has runes nerfed so they dont actually work for the duration of the battle.
Atleast that would stop the bickering about elite rune builds, and if you get whooped its because they where more skillful and better organised than your team.
This would also mean you could play matches with or without runes. It would also eliminate the need to farm for runes. Runes would be a bonus if you had them, but nothing else. This would obviously p*** off the uber elite PvP munchkins though as they wouldn't have an edge it would actually be skill based as intended.

Stone · Jun 09, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

i dont understand why ppl who put more effort into thier chars arent allowed that little bit more advantage, & it also gives something to strive for , whether it be armor, xtra 15 attribute points or an inventory full of crap , what we have here is 2 diff types of players , the "i want it all & i want it now & ill throw it to the corner in 5mins coz bored of it" & those that want to EARN there fame points..

There has to be some incentive to play that little bit harder or compete else who would compete/PLAY at all?
I do think to much competition kills community spirit, so im glad that the traders & other ingame factors keep prices & competition fairly honest & level.

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Witt78

My question is... If you play games for fun... But you are here complaining about Guild Wars... Then you must not be having fun playing it. Why are you here? Why post on this forum? Why play Guild wars?

-Witt78

because the betas where exactly like the perfect game the pvp players dreamt of?

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 09, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

wow... we got a angry beta tester here....

geez.. just because someone got a opinion different from your lame ass, you have to tell him STFU.. oh is that what you do with every problem you met in your life.. tell them to STFU, for example, get caught speeding by a cop; so do you tell the cop to stick that ticket somewhere else and STFU..

geez...someone is making a comparsion, i do agree that GW is not like Evercrap... but it more like Diablo....

so good day to you BE whatever your freaking name is.... just go play something else and stop this whinning

its weird... am i the only GW player out there that doesn't farm or kill bunch of monsters for one rare item? cuz i mostly got crappy setup stuff, but i'm working to get some runes and upgrades for my charater

ps. you got a really negative attitude BE!!

Stur · Jun 09, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Witt78

My question is... If you play games for fun... But you are here complaining about Guild Wars... Then you must not be having fun playing it. Why are you here? Why post on this forum? Why play Guild wars?

Couse if we hang around and whine enough it will go back our way?? It worked for the other side.. lol

no j/k couldn't resist

Aug · Jun 09, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Rasp

So you think 'ruining' an aspect of the game for the PvE fans to please the PvP fans, is a good solution? Arena Net can NOT please both sides. There will always be someone to complain about a change.

Just FYI, I'm not a bigger fan of either side. I enjoy them both, but you will always have someone to complain. It's ridiculous to see the same type of threads over and over, day in and day out. The admins / moderators REALLY should create some type of "Rant Forum" or something. This IS ridiculous.

Unlocking skills for just your chosen profession combination when you complete the game doesn't seem like it would negatively effect the PvE players. Right now, GW is set up so that PvE is the gateway to PvP. You can't compete in PvP until you spend X amount of time in PvE. Once you spend X amount of time, you never have to PvE again.

So reducing X by any amount will have no detrimental effect to those who JUST want to PvE. It will have a detrimental effect on those who want some sense of achievement. I'm one of those people. But I think just proving that you can make it through the entire game would be a sufficient 'achievement' to award people with all skills/runes/upgrades for their chosen combination. If they want to unlock another combo, they need to play another PvE char all the way through.

Witt78 · Jun 09, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by BE|Dac

Yeah your right, and I hope you like minimum wage because people in africa starve to death.

honestly ...............

Wow it doesnt have 2 years of grind yippeeee???????

totally on point and sharp contrast man.

What are you talking about? You are trying to say he's responsible for people starving to death cuz he makes a valid comparison between two games?

You debunk yourself with your own immaturity. I think it is you that is spending too much time on the computer. My friend, you are obviously very detached from the "Real World" or you are too young to have any experience with it.

-Witt78

Tuna · Jun 09, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Aug

You don't need ALL the runes in the game, but you do need all the ones for your primary profession.

You're right you don't need all the runes. To bad I have 3 superior soul reaping runes anyway huh? The other problem is I have an odd desire to play whatever charater I want to and not be confined by runes.

Witt78 · Jun 09, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Saerden

because the betas where exactly like the perfect game the pvp players dreamt of?

So was Quake 3... Let him play that.

-Witt78

Wind · Jun 09, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Aug

The game delivers very little of what that PR statement says.

You mean a company is trying to make money off of me? NO WAY!

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 09, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

jesus... am i the only GW player at level 10 with no runes... not even a minor runes!

dansamy · Jun 09, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher

jesus... am i the only GW player at level 10 with no runes... not even a minor runes!

Nope. When I was level 10, no runes had dropped for me yet either.

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 09, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Wind

You mean a company is trying to make money off of me? NO WAY!

ROFL

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

How about pvp players actually unite and TROLL the forums? by not posting at all.

Then all those grinders will have to play the game. Again. And again. And again.

No holy wars on the forums. nothing to break the monotony. Just endless self improvement. By killing again. and again. and again.

Epinephrine · Jun 09, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Aug

Provide all runes, skills and elites for your class combo after completing the game. There's no grind there. You complete the missions with your chosen combo, and you're given free reign over all skill/rune/equipment combinations with those 2 professions.

Right now, you have to partake in quite a bit of grinding (killing the same mobs over and over) to acquire all runes, skills, and elites for both of your professions. Both to get XP, and to try to get lucky and get the drops you need.

I'm actually closer to acquiring all the runes in the game versus all the skills for just my 2 classes, because of how slow skill point accumulation is.

This is a fine solution. It doesn't take that much time to finish the game if you want to. It doesn't hurt the PvE crowd and it allows a PvPer to run through the game, learn the system, then play high level PvP if they so desire.

Fine solution, Aug.

Another would be to simply separate the PvE from PvP. Go ahead, have PvE arenas for fun, but the PvP with all unlocked is a measure of skill, as it involves people playing on even footing.

Witt78 · Jun 09, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by -z|o-

People who never been in top 20 or held HoH consequently shouldnt be talking about what competative PvP is.

Wow! "Being Top 20 in HOH of Guild Wars" is not a game you can pick up off the shelf at your local "Best Buy"

"Being Top 20 in HOH of Gulid Wars" is something that you MUST work for because of the 100 thousand Guild wars players, THERE ARE ONLY 20 OF THEM!

With your mantality, Every American that walks the Earth deserves to spend one week of his life in the White House.

When I get my week in the White House. I'm going to take control of these forums and kick out all the Trolls!

I once heard somebody on this forum describe the PERFECT MMORPG. I think his description is worth repeating here...

The perfect MMORPG is a game where males are males, females are females, and everybody under the age of 18 is a federal agent.

-Witt78

Lament Messon · Jun 09, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Aug

Unlocking skills for just your chosen profession combination when you complete the game doesn't seem like it would negatively effect the PvE players. Right now, GW is set up so that PvE is the gateway to PvP. You can't compete in PvP until you spend X amount of time in PvE. Once you spend X amount of time, you never have to PvE again.

So reducing X by any amount will have no detrimental effect to those who JUST want to PvE. It will have a detrimental effect on those who want some sense of achievement. I'm one of those people. But I think just proving that you can make it through the entire game would be a sufficient 'achievement' to award people with all skills/runes/upgrades for their chosen combination. If they want to unlock another combo, they need to play another PvE char all the way through.

Ignoring the troll (Be|Dac) who has inadvertantly spawned an intelligent discussion.

I want to say that I don't think that GW intended for every rune/skill/weapon enchantment to be available to every player. Getting a char to finish the game may result in 2 superior rune upgrades from a different proffesion making you more likely to chose that proffesion in PVP. For example: you go throught the game an E/Me, but the only superior runes you uncover are sup absorb and superior axe...this would make you a decent PVP axe.

Now, if you DESIRE to grind until you find the superior runes/upgrades you want to make the ultimate PVP char of your choice Anet can only assure that there is complete fairness with finding such runes/upgrades. They really can't stop everyone from grinding, but just make it fair and balanced. I think they are doing a great job at that especially giving the runes PVE to help newbies get the runes that are so very common to people with L20 chars.

Lament

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Lament Messon

Ignoring the troll (Be|Dac) who has inadvertantly spawned an intelligent discussion.

I want to say that I don't think that GW intended for every rune/skill/weapon enchantment to be available to every player. Getting a char to finish the game may result in 2 superior rune upgrades from a different proffesion making you more likely to chose that proffesion in PVP. For example: you go throught the game an E/Me, but the only superior runes you uncover are sup absorb and superior axe...this would make you a decent PVP axe.

Now, if you DESIRE to grind until you find the superior runes/upgrades you want to make the ultimate PVP char of your choice Anet can only assure that there is complete fairness with finding such runes/upgrades. They really can't stop everyone from grinding, but just make it fair and balanced. I think they are doing a great job at that especially giving the runes PVE to help newbies get the runes that are so very common to people with L20 chars.

Lament

Read every quote that has been provided by the "troll". especially read the part about chess. read it again. how long has everquest been out? compare that to chess.